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You will not understand this [on leaving social networking]
[http://stanleylieber.com/2017/11/07/0/] culture [/t/culture] web
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JKowalsky [/u/JKowalsky] 35 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_jvine9]

The heart of the issue here is a fundamental shift in user
requirements. The end user driving requirements of social media has
shifted from the people using the service to companies serving adware
and data analytics (and government.) All the user hostile changes make
perfect sense in this context–they simply mean that we have shifted
from consumer to product.

Stanley merely noted that the user features aimed at him are no longer
sufficient to overcome the detracting features aimed at improving the
user experience of advertisement companies.

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angersock [/u/angersock] edited 31 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_2azmhd]

This would be better off with the culture tag, since it’s about web
culture. It’d be better with the rant tag, since it’s just a rant.

It’s almost completely nontechnical kvetching about products, so I
don’t think it should be here.

edit: fix typo.

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/feoh-16.png] [/u/feoh] feoh [/u/feoh]
33 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_shzvjq]

I agree. it’s off topic at best. I’d be more likely to ignore that if
it said anything insightful, but it doesn’t.

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superpat [/u/superpat] edited 35 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_s8czsa]

I think the problem is more with centralized proprietary social
networking. I’ve recently started using mastodon and secure
scuttlebutt, two decentralized social networks and the experience has
been perfectly pleasant. Now of course this does have something to do
with the fact that their population is much smaller than that of
twitter or facebook, but mastodon has a pretty varied population and
it’s still much more pleasant than twitter (And if you dont like your
instance just join another one / create your own)

After trying them out a few weeks I deleted my accounts on networks
like untapped, facebook, linkedIn and etc.. But then, I only had a
facebook and linkedin account because I created them when I was 15, if
I stumbled on facebook today, I would never create an account on it.

Edit: I seem to have double posted by accident.

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/tedu-16.png] [/u/tedu] tedu [/u/tedu]
34 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_ajnic8]

What does “malware served” in every section mean?

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/hobbes-16.png] [/u/hobbes] hobbes
[/u/hobbes] 33 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_61kxis]

You see at the top where it says he remembers the internet before
google?

He goes on to name the malware products: gmail, search, and
adwords+related products.

His point is that all of those things were better before Google took
them over. Their replacements are malware. I couldn’t agree more.

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/tedu-16.png] [/u/tedu] tedu [/u/tedu]
33 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_ieywq8]

/me adds malware to the list of words that no longer have meaning.

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/hobbes-16.png] [/u/hobbes] hobbes
[/u/hobbes] 32 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_ajhwzu]

Would ‘scamware’ have worked better? ‘Spyware’ certainly applies, as
does ‘adware’.

I’m personally responsible for bringing dozens of users and three
small businesses to Google. Before that, I brought a couple of users
to Altavista.

I argued that people shouldn’t ban Google’s spider bot from their web
servers. I convinced people that having all their email in one
searchable place for free forever was life changing and they should
sign up post-haste.

I stopped people on the street when they were carrying Mapquest
printouts and told them about Maps.

I imported my own email archives from pre-Gmail into Gmail. I reported
bugs.

I told people they could trust Google and that economies of scale
meant that Gmail would always be faster and better than their own mail
servers.

I argued against the first (and second, and third) waves of
anti-Google sentiment. I apologize… I thought they were Luddites that
just didn’t get it, didn’t see the future. Well, actually, they saw it
more clearly than I.

Anyway, I know how the author of the piece feels and I think it’s
on-topic for lobste.rs. In that it sets the stage for discussion!

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/tedu-16.png] [/u/tedu] tedu [/u/tedu]
30 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_bqxhot]

A coercive unpleasant experience designed to induce behavior in the
target? That’s torture. You could say the Facebook timeline is
literally torture, and I’d object to the hyperbole, but I don’t think
you’d be entirely wrong.

Manipulationware is a little long. Grindware? You’re on a treadmill
trying to get ahead, but you’re just running in place.

Honesty though, I’m not a fan of the ware suffix generally. I think
there’s a strong connotation of local client software. To that end,
malservice would be a good term.

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/bargap-16.png] [/u/bargap] bargap
[/u/bargap] 32 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_9ftuuu]

Completely off-topic, but I get an ‘unknown issuer’ error when I try
to visit your website.

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/rjc-16.png] [/u/rjc] rjc [/u/rjc] 23
hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_joygjf]

New one here, eh?:^)

Have a read
[https://lobste.rs/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=tedunangst.com&what=comments&order=newest]
, why don’t you!?

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/feoh-16.png] [/u/feoh] feoh [/u/feoh]
33 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_kwyuas]

I was wondering the same thing. Googling “Facebook malware” reveals a
few instances where some Facebook features served malware ads, maybe
that?

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[image https://lobste.rs/avatars/hobbes-16.png] [/u/hobbes] hobbes
[/u/hobbes] 33 hours ago | link
[https://lobste.rs/s/flxrfa/you_will_not_understand_this_on_leaving#c_qc11l2]

The Facebook malware is “Mandatory non-linear curation of user
contributed content”.

He’s saying that sharing was better before Facebook. I couldn’t agree
more.

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